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There are two distinct episodes in this two-hour fire-and-brimstone buffet event. For the appetizer, "Let It Bleed," Dean faces his worst nightmare when Lisa and Ben are unexpectedly abducted. In the main course finale, "The Man Who Knew Too Much," the war in Heaven comes to a head. Castiel faces off with Raphael and the walls holding back Sam's memories of Hell crumble. Someone (human? angel? demon?) will die and someone will be transformed. Prepare to gasp, possibly cry and write angry forum entries. Oh, and sorry, John Winchester won't show his face for the finale.
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The bad news is: It seems like the "two unexpected deaths" are not Lisa and Ben.
(To clarify: I don't want them dead - even though I do want them out of my show - but if them dying means that I don't have to worry about characters I care about, I'm all for it.)
The good news is: It's now only one death in the finale. And one transformation.

Here are my thoughts on what that could mean:
  • Raphael dies and Castiel becomes human. That's the best case scenario. I'm just not sure if Raphael counts as THE death, since he's basically a "big bad".
  • Balthazar dies (saving Cas) and Castiel becomes human.
  • Someone (Raphael, Balthazar, someone else) dies and Castiel changes his vessel. Obviously, with so much of Castiel's popularity stemming from him being played by Misha, that only makes sense if Misha wants out, and I doubt they'd keep Castiel around in that case. It could be interesting, though, if they find a really, really good actor. Claire!Castiel was pretty amazing, and while this vessel probably wouldn't work on a regular basis, it proves that Castiel can potentially played by someone else and still be our Castiel.


Of course, there are other possible candidates for the "transformation", in which case Castiel would still be in danger:
  • It could refer to Sam, soemthing to do with his wall. But I doubt that.
  • It could possibly be Crowley in some way. I don't have a real theory on that, though.
  • It could be Balthazar. Or Raphael.


Either way, this spoiler makes me hopeful. "Transformed" really sounds like it should refer to Castiel. And only one death should mean that I won't lose both of my angels. That's something.

Bonus crack theory: After winning the war against Raphael, and taking over Heaven, Castiel "transforms" into God (which would also work with the Misha was written out of the show rumour).

Thought? Other ideas?

Date: 2011-05-03 06:26 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rogueslayer452.livejournal.com
I'm just really pissed at the "worst nightmare" description for Dean. Bitches, please. >:/ I mean, I know he cares about them, but are Lisa and Ben really relevant at this point? They're just strangers, even after a year of living with them pointless storyline is pointless they just amounted to nothing for him. Ugh. I'm miffed that they even still exist in the show, can they be written off if not dead at this point? DO NOT WANT THEM ANYMORE, KTHX.

I'm still nervous about what could happen. These descriptions are incredibly vague and sometimes misleading. I just, I don't know.

Date: 2011-05-03 10:13 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] gwaevalarin.livejournal.com
I'm honestly simply too worried about Cas to care much about the whole Lisa and Ben situation. I just hope they'll be finally gone for good after that episode.

Yes, it's all incredibly vague and could possibly mean a thousand things, but at this point I'm clinging to every flicker of hope I can find. And "one death and one transformation" does sound better than "two unexpected deaths".

Date: 2011-05-03 09:06 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] shaitanah.livejournal.com
I'd actually hate it if Castiel became human. He would hate it! He tried once, it didn't work out so well. Besides, that's a bit... I don't know, corny?
Meh... this spoiler doesn't look good at all. This finale is shaping up to be even more depressing than Swan Song - and here I thought it wasn't possible.

Date: 2011-05-03 10:19 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] gwaevalarin.livejournal.com
Of course he'd hate it. In this show, even best case scenarios still contain a lot of bad. But I'm at a point where I simply want Castiel alive at the end of the season - or at least redeemed - everything else we can figure out afterwards.
Human!Castiel would probably be a bit repetitive after season 5, but then again, they never properly explored it back then.

Date: 2011-05-03 08:47 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] seriesjunkie23.livejournal.com
They're gonna turn him into a human, was my first reaction when I read about the transformation today because I just can't believe, won't believe that he'll get killed. I just can't. But...but...but it can't be right. If Cas turns human then there would be no reason for him to be around anymore. After all this is the Sam and Dean show who up until now have been helped by an angel. What would Cas be able to contribute if he were human? Not much, he can barely hold a gun (although he was pretty good at shooting in Two Minutes to Midnight). I don't know if I really want to think about this too hard because right now all we can do is just speculate and obsess which is what I do on a constant basis. It kills me to think that whoever (the writers, the producers, etc.) would just get rid of a character from the show they know is loved by many fans. But then again, they did that with the Trickster/Gabriel, Rufus, Jo, Ellen too. Seriously, I don't know what to think anymore and somehwhere deep in my heart I've come to terms with the fact that I'm gonna scream and cry when the worst should happen. :`(

Date: 2011-05-04 03:02 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] gwaevalarin.livejournal.com
Actually, I think turning Castiel into a human is our best chance if we want to keep him around.
Just think about the scene last week when he gets rid of the Jefferson Starships. And then imagine what Castiel, in full possession of his powers and without a war to keep him occupied, will do to the storytelling? I don't see how they can keep him around like that, unless they give him something else to keep him busy, so he can't be around to save the day every episode with just a snap of his finger.

But, yeah, it's really hard to say what's going to happen. One of the main reasons I'm speculating so much is that it keeps me from thinking about all the worst case scenarios.

Date: 2011-05-03 09:04 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] alhana-antilles.livejournal.com
Assuming the transformation does refer to Cas I think it's probably one of two things: he becomes human or he becomes an archangel.

Although they've already done human!Castiel, I wouldn't put it past them to do it again. After all the writers have somehow managed to re-tell the "something's wrong with Sam" storyline almost every season.

On the other hand if Raphael dies then there will be no archangels left in heaven- so maybe Castiel receives a power/rank upgrade to fill the void. But who knows- the transformation may not have anything to do with him.

In the end though, I just hope Misha doesn't leave the show, and the rumors are just that- rumors. The show-runners would have to be awfully dumb to let him go. His popularity was reflected in the recent TV Guide favorites poll, and he was up against strong competition.

Date: 2011-05-04 03:08 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] gwaevalarin.livejournal.com
Castiel turning into an archangel is, of course, another possibility. That wouldn't feel like that much of a change, though. He already is "new and improved".

The more I think about it, the more I believe that the transformation will have nothing to do with Cas. He's the obvious choice, it's probably too obvious.

Date: 2011-05-03 11:29 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] crossroadsangel.livejournal.com
Have you seen the new preview clip with Castiel and Crowley? I won't mention anything from it if you haven't, but it certainly made me a bit more nervous. :/

I'd like to think that if Cas survives a fight with Raphael he would be transformed into an archangel, which could also mean he won't be around as much. That works with the concept of TPTB wanting to bring the brothers even closer in S7.

I would say the death involves Sam but they already did that last time. They 'killed' Cas and Bobby, too, and I really hope they don't pull both of those stunts again.

I'd like to think TPTB are savvy enough not to axe a good thing when they have one (Misha as Castiel) so I'm not buying the rumors. Then again the latter relies on the employment of common sense! :D It also depends on *how* the relationship changes between Cas and the guys in 6.20 as well as whether or not the whole angel arc is concluded with the finale. They could still keep Cas, but I suspect his appearances would be even less than the past two seasons. :/ I'd rather he get his own spin-off at that point.;)

Certainly all the hints we've gotten about Castiel (so far) are pointing to an epic foreshadowing of doom. Then again, I think really good writers do that deliberately as it establishes tension.
We think something will happen and then they go in a different direction. Hopefully that turn will be a good one for Cas.




Date: 2011-05-04 03:15 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] gwaevalarin.livejournal.com
Yes, I have seen the preview clip, and it has me more confused (and worried) than ever. Particularly what Cas says about what may happen to them if they don't succeed... what the hell have those two gotten themselves into?

Everyone who is just remotely important on this show has died at least once. Even Balthazar, kinda, even though he just faked his death. It's not characters dying I'm worried about. It's the possibility that someone may die for good.

I think (hope) we'll know a lot more after 6x20. That episode should clear quite a few things up.

I'd rather he get his own spin-off at that point.;)
I'd love a Castiel spin-off. And I want Balthazar, Crowley and Gabriel to join.

Date: 2011-05-04 01:24 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rackoninnc.livejournal.com
I'm wondering if this statement by Sera has anything to do with the Transformation part. "You see Sam in a state he’s never been in before pretty much at the top of the episode, she says. Structurally, he does a couple of pretty interesting things in that episode.”

Structurally? Could be construed as a transformation I suppose.

I'm hoping Castiel will become an archangel personally...he certainly deserves it after all he's been through with the brothers, even if he has done some pretty bad stuff to get the war in Heaven won.

Date: 2011-05-04 03:17 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] gwaevalarin.livejournal.com
Sam is my second guess for the transformation. I'm just starting to wonder if Cas or Sam aren't too obvious candidates. It's probably someone else entirely.

Castiel does deserve it. But when has anyone on this show ever gotten what they deserve?

Date: 2011-05-04 03:20 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rackoninnc.livejournal.com
They probably are too obvious...and no...can't think of a single person that has ever gotten what they deserved.

Well, Crowley did get Bobby out of the wheelchair, but he had to go through some crap to get it.

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