Hm... interesting
May. 3rd, 2011 08:01 am![[personal profile]](https://www.dreamwidth.org/img/silk/identity/user.png)
There are two distinct episodes in this two-hour fire-and-brimstone buffet event. For the appetizer, "Let It Bleed," Dean faces his worst nightmare when Lisa and Ben are unexpectedly abducted. In the main course finale, "The Man Who Knew Too Much," the war in Heaven comes to a head. Castiel faces off with Raphael and the walls holding back Sam's memories of Hell crumble. Someone (human? angel? demon?) will die and someone will be transformed. Prepare to gasp, possibly cry and write angry forum entries. Oh, and sorry, John Winchester won't show his face for the finale.
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The bad news is: It seems like the "two unexpected deaths" are not Lisa and Ben.
(To clarify: I don't want them dead - even though I do want them out of my show - but if them dying means that I don't have to worry about characters I care about, I'm all for it.)
The good news is: It's now only one death in the finale. And one transformation.
Here are my thoughts on what that could mean:
Of course, there are other possible candidates for the "transformation", in which case Castiel would still be in danger:
Either way, this spoiler makes me hopeful. "Transformed" really sounds like it should refer to Castiel. And only one death should mean that I won't lose both of my angels. That's something.
Bonus crack theory: After winning the war against Raphael, and taking over Heaven, Castiel "transforms" into God (which would also work with the Misha was written out of the show rumour).
Thought? Other ideas?
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The bad news is: It seems like the "two unexpected deaths" are not Lisa and Ben.
(To clarify: I don't want them dead - even though I do want them out of my show - but if them dying means that I don't have to worry about characters I care about, I'm all for it.)
The good news is: It's now only one death in the finale. And one transformation.
Here are my thoughts on what that could mean:
- Raphael dies and Castiel becomes human. That's the best case scenario. I'm just not sure if Raphael counts as THE death, since he's basically a "big bad".
- Balthazar dies (saving Cas) and Castiel becomes human.
- Someone (Raphael, Balthazar, someone else) dies and Castiel changes his vessel. Obviously, with so much of Castiel's popularity stemming from him being played by Misha, that only makes sense if Misha wants out, and I doubt they'd keep Castiel around in that case. It could be interesting, though, if they find a really, really good actor. Claire!Castiel was pretty amazing, and while this vessel probably wouldn't work on a regular basis, it proves that Castiel can potentially played by someone else and still be our Castiel.
Of course, there are other possible candidates for the "transformation", in which case Castiel would still be in danger:
- It could refer to Sam, soemthing to do with his wall. But I doubt that.
- It could possibly be Crowley in some way. I don't have a real theory on that, though.
- It could be Balthazar. Or Raphael.
Either way, this spoiler makes me hopeful. "Transformed" really sounds like it should refer to Castiel. And only one death should mean that I won't lose both of my angels. That's something.
Bonus crack theory: After winning the war against Raphael, and taking over Heaven, Castiel "transforms" into God (which would also work with the Misha was written out of the show rumour).
Thought? Other ideas?
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Date: 2011-05-03 06:26 am (UTC)pointless storyline is pointlessthey just amounted to nothing for him. Ugh. I'm miffed that they even still exist in the show, can they be written off if not dead at this point? DO NOT WANT THEM ANYMORE, KTHX.I'm still nervous about what could happen. These descriptions are incredibly vague and sometimes misleading. I just, I don't know.
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Date: 2011-05-03 10:13 am (UTC)Yes, it's all incredibly vague and could possibly mean a thousand things, but at this point I'm clinging to every flicker of hope I can find. And "one death and one transformation" does sound better than "two unexpected deaths".
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Date: 2011-05-03 09:06 am (UTC)Meh... this spoiler doesn't look good at all. This finale is shaping up to be even more depressing than Swan Song - and here I thought it wasn't possible.
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Date: 2011-05-03 10:19 am (UTC)Human!Castiel would probably be a bit repetitive after season 5, but then again, they never properly explored it back then.
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Date: 2011-05-03 08:47 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2011-05-04 03:02 pm (UTC)Just think about the scene last week when he gets rid of the Jefferson Starships. And then imagine what Castiel, in full possession of his powers and without a war to keep him occupied, will do to the storytelling? I don't see how they can keep him around like that, unless they give him something else to keep him busy, so he can't be around to save the day every episode with just a snap of his finger.
But, yeah, it's really hard to say what's going to happen. One of the main reasons I'm speculating so much is that it keeps me from thinking about all the worst case scenarios.
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Date: 2011-05-03 09:04 pm (UTC)Although they've already done human!Castiel, I wouldn't put it past them to do it again. After all the writers have somehow managed to re-tell the "something's wrong with Sam" storyline almost every season.
On the other hand if Raphael dies then there will be no archangels left in heaven- so maybe Castiel receives a power/rank upgrade to fill the void. But who knows- the transformation may not have anything to do with him.
In the end though, I just hope Misha doesn't leave the show, and the rumors are just that- rumors. The show-runners would have to be awfully dumb to let him go. His popularity was reflected in the recent TV Guide favorites poll, and he was up against strong competition.
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Date: 2011-05-04 03:08 pm (UTC)The more I think about it, the more I believe that the transformation will have nothing to do with Cas. He's the obvious choice, it's probably too obvious.
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Date: 2011-05-03 11:29 pm (UTC)I'd like to think that if Cas survives a fight with Raphael he would be transformed into an archangel, which could also mean he won't be around as much. That works with the concept of TPTB wanting to bring the brothers even closer in S7.
I would say the death involves Sam but they already did that last time. They 'killed' Cas and Bobby, too, and I really hope they don't pull both of those stunts again.
I'd like to think TPTB are savvy enough not to axe a good thing when they have one (Misha as Castiel) so I'm not buying the rumors. Then again the latter relies on the employment of common sense! :D It also depends on *how* the relationship changes between Cas and the guys in 6.20 as well as whether or not the whole angel arc is concluded with the finale. They could still keep Cas, but I suspect his appearances would be even less than the past two seasons. :/ I'd rather he get his own spin-off at that point.;)
Certainly all the hints we've gotten about Castiel (so far) are pointing to an epic foreshadowing of doom. Then again, I think really good writers do that deliberately as it establishes tension.
We think something will happen and then they go in a different direction. Hopefully that turn will be a good one for Cas.
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Date: 2011-05-04 03:15 pm (UTC)Everyone who is just remotely important on this show has died at least once. Even Balthazar, kinda, even though he just faked his death. It's not characters dying I'm worried about. It's the possibility that someone may die for good.
I think (hope) we'll know a lot more after 6x20. That episode should clear quite a few things up.
I'd rather he get his own spin-off at that point.;)
I'd love a Castiel spin-off. And I want Balthazar, Crowley and Gabriel to join.
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Date: 2011-05-04 01:24 am (UTC)Structurally? Could be construed as a transformation I suppose.
I'm hoping Castiel will become an archangel personally...he certainly deserves it after all he's been through with the brothers, even if he has done some pretty bad stuff to get the war in Heaven won.
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Date: 2011-05-04 03:17 pm (UTC)Castiel does deserve it. But when has anyone on this show ever gotten what they deserve?
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Date: 2011-05-04 03:20 pm (UTC)Well, Crowley did get Bobby out of the wheelchair, but he had to go through some crap to get it.