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Sep. 25th, 2010 01:00 pm![[personal profile]](https://www.dreamwidth.org/img/silk/identity/user.png){kind=small}
gwaevalarinInstant reaction rambling about the season premiere of Supernatural:
From what I saw of spoiler-free reactions before watching the episode had me prepared for the worst. Then when I watched it I found myself wondering why everyone seemed to hate it so much because I really didn't think it was that bad. Different, sure, but not necessarily bad. Then came the last five minutes and, yeah, that didn't make any sense at all. What the hell?
But let's start with the part that I thought worked better than expected:
Dean and his apple pie life. Because all through it you could so clearly see how Dean was faking. Putting on a show for everyone around him, including Ben and Lisa. Still keeping a gun, having a Devil's Trap at the door, following a lead because his hunting instinct is still there and being generally more miserable than he ever was on the road as a hunter. Then why didn't he go back? Because Sam wasn't there. Because hunting without Sam is too painful, holds too many memories. Dean is barely surviving and I don't want to know how often in this year he was this close to just ending it. But that would take an effort so he just continues going through the motions.
Lisa and Ben? Sure, he cares about them. They took him in and he feels responsible for them. He also desperately wants to have that feeling of family back that he lost but he doesn't really have it with them. He can't be honest with Lisa, he lies to her. He never really opens up to her. She knows it, too.
I don't know why Dean would halucinate about Azazel. That was such a long time ago. I'd expect Alastair. But maybe it's because Azazel started it all and Azazel is the one who made sure Sam is prepared to be Lucifer's vessel which ultimately led to the loss of his brother.
And then suddenly Sam is back. And he's different. I can't even put my finger on what it is but he's clearly not the same Sam that jumped into that hole a year earlier. Then again, there's a year of hunting between then and now. A year of hunting with a group of people that may be related to them but seem more like soldiers than family. I don't like the Campbells. And I don't trust them, including Samuel. And I think there's every reason for that after the whole Djinn business. They also change the dynamic of the show and that's somehting I need to adjust to. But we don't know if that's necessarily a bad thing. I do look at the new season as the first season of a new show with the same characters so I guess I can live with a few changes in the dynamics. As long as we get Sam and Dean together on the road back at the heart of it all.
But anyway, Sam is back and it's not a big, happy reunion. How could it? It's awkward. They haven't seen each other in a year. They'll need some time to adjust and really become a team again.
What I don't get is how Sam could seriously believe that Dean was happy. He should know his brother better than that. Same goes for Bobby. But at least Bobby gave off this "I know it sucks but it beats the alternative"-vibe. Still, they both should know better. They both should know that as nice and happy as it may look on the outside it does most definiely not beat the alternative.
"Cas hasn't answered my prayers."
I loves that Castiel was mentioned twice. First by Azazel and then by Sam even though it doesn't make much sense that Sam tried to call him. How would Sam know that Castiel is alive? But okay, I can let that slide.
And now, unfortunately, to the part that didn't make any sense at all and I dearly hope that won't set the tone for the season:
So, Dean has this Djinn induced vision with Lisa on the ceiling and Azazel giving Ben demon blood, which, hello, the whole point of the psykids was finding Lucifer's vessel. Lucifer already has a vessel. That nightmare doesn't make any sense if Dean remembers anything that happened after season 2. That storyline is resolved and not exactly a threat any more even if Azazel were back. But okay, nightmares don't have to make sense.
But why the hell, after hating his apple pie life and wanting nothing more than getting Sam back - even trying to get him back despite his promise - why would this nightmare suddenly convince him that he has to stay with his new family after all? Because he put them in danger when moving in with them?
Does anyone remember when Sam and Dean told Jimmy that he could never be with his family again because that would put them in danger? Shouldn't the same apply to Lisa and Ben? Aren't they in more danger with Dean around than without him? Or are we supposed to believe that after a year of being miserable he just figured out that he doesn't hate his new life after all and that Sam and Bobby where right and he actually does prefer it to hunting with his brother?
Tl,tr: At the beginning of the episode Dean hates his life and desperately wants Sam and his hunting life back and Sam doesn't tell him he actually has been back for a year. And at the end of the episode, suddenly Sam and Samuel want and need Dean back hunting but Dean prefers his apple pie life with Lisa? Erm... huh?
Okay, now it sounds like I hated the episode. I didn't. I find it very hard to figure out how I feel about it. It had a few good and a few very bad moments. Bad moments that do have me a little worried for the show. But it was only one episode. Things might already look different next week.
Can I still just have Castiel back now please? Preferably with a story line that makes sense?
From what I saw of spoiler-free reactions before watching the episode had me prepared for the worst. Then when I watched it I found myself wondering why everyone seemed to hate it so much because I really didn't think it was that bad. Different, sure, but not necessarily bad. Then came the last five minutes and, yeah, that didn't make any sense at all. What the hell?
But let's start with the part that I thought worked better than expected:
Dean and his apple pie life. Because all through it you could so clearly see how Dean was faking. Putting on a show for everyone around him, including Ben and Lisa. Still keeping a gun, having a Devil's Trap at the door, following a lead because his hunting instinct is still there and being generally more miserable than he ever was on the road as a hunter. Then why didn't he go back? Because Sam wasn't there. Because hunting without Sam is too painful, holds too many memories. Dean is barely surviving and I don't want to know how often in this year he was this close to just ending it. But that would take an effort so he just continues going through the motions.
Lisa and Ben? Sure, he cares about them. They took him in and he feels responsible for them. He also desperately wants to have that feeling of family back that he lost but he doesn't really have it with them. He can't be honest with Lisa, he lies to her. He never really opens up to her. She knows it, too.
I don't know why Dean would halucinate about Azazel. That was such a long time ago. I'd expect Alastair. But maybe it's because Azazel started it all and Azazel is the one who made sure Sam is prepared to be Lucifer's vessel which ultimately led to the loss of his brother.
And then suddenly Sam is back. And he's different. I can't even put my finger on what it is but he's clearly not the same Sam that jumped into that hole a year earlier. Then again, there's a year of hunting between then and now. A year of hunting with a group of people that may be related to them but seem more like soldiers than family. I don't like the Campbells. And I don't trust them, including Samuel. And I think there's every reason for that after the whole Djinn business. They also change the dynamic of the show and that's somehting I need to adjust to. But we don't know if that's necessarily a bad thing. I do look at the new season as the first season of a new show with the same characters so I guess I can live with a few changes in the dynamics. As long as we get Sam and Dean together on the road back at the heart of it all.
But anyway, Sam is back and it's not a big, happy reunion. How could it? It's awkward. They haven't seen each other in a year. They'll need some time to adjust and really become a team again.
What I don't get is how Sam could seriously believe that Dean was happy. He should know his brother better than that. Same goes for Bobby. But at least Bobby gave off this "I know it sucks but it beats the alternative"-vibe. Still, they both should know better. They both should know that as nice and happy as it may look on the outside it does most definiely not beat the alternative.
"Cas hasn't answered my prayers."
I loves that Castiel was mentioned twice. First by Azazel and then by Sam even though it doesn't make much sense that Sam tried to call him. How would Sam know that Castiel is alive? But okay, I can let that slide.
And now, unfortunately, to the part that didn't make any sense at all and I dearly hope that won't set the tone for the season:
So, Dean has this Djinn induced vision with Lisa on the ceiling and Azazel giving Ben demon blood, which, hello, the whole point of the psykids was finding Lucifer's vessel. Lucifer already has a vessel. That nightmare doesn't make any sense if Dean remembers anything that happened after season 2. That storyline is resolved and not exactly a threat any more even if Azazel were back. But okay, nightmares don't have to make sense.
But why the hell, after hating his apple pie life and wanting nothing more than getting Sam back - even trying to get him back despite his promise - why would this nightmare suddenly convince him that he has to stay with his new family after all? Because he put them in danger when moving in with them?
Does anyone remember when Sam and Dean told Jimmy that he could never be with his family again because that would put them in danger? Shouldn't the same apply to Lisa and Ben? Aren't they in more danger with Dean around than without him? Or are we supposed to believe that after a year of being miserable he just figured out that he doesn't hate his new life after all and that Sam and Bobby where right and he actually does prefer it to hunting with his brother?
Tl,tr: At the beginning of the episode Dean hates his life and desperately wants Sam and his hunting life back and Sam doesn't tell him he actually has been back for a year. And at the end of the episode, suddenly Sam and Samuel want and need Dean back hunting but Dean prefers his apple pie life with Lisa? Erm... huh?
Okay, now it sounds like I hated the episode. I didn't. I find it very hard to figure out how I feel about it. It had a few good and a few very bad moments. Bad moments that do have me a little worried for the show. But it was only one episode. Things might already look different next week.
Can I still just have Castiel back now please? Preferably with a story line that makes sense?
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Date: 2010-09-25 11:21 am (UTC)What I don't get is how Sam could seriously believe that Dean was happy
Deep down they are bound to know that you can never entirely be happy knowing a) what's out there and b) that your brother's being tortured in Hell. But maybe it's all relative. Like everything considered, living that life Dean had a chance at is the closest anyone of them could come to a pretend happiness? Maybe, in order to keep going, that's a thought they need to hold onto to stay sane? To maybe one day have a chance at that small amount of normalcy as well? The mind's a tricky thing and how often are we lying to ourselves because it's easier?
The sudden turn at the end was a bit abrupt and strange, I agree. And it doesn't help that even within that weird conversation things turn once again. Like one second Sam's begging Dean to come back and the next he's okay with Dean's decision to stay. Again? They obviously all changed quite a bit during that year and I, for one, am interested to see how they'll find common ground again.
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Date: 2010-09-25 11:42 am (UTC)So, to put it harshly, Sam and Bobby were being terribly selfish, convincing themselves that Dean would be happier without them in his normal life until they actually believed it? Because that way they could convince themselves that they still had a chance for something similar? Okay, I can accept that.
You know, I think I'm just really unsure about how I feel about it all because I want to see it as a brand new start, basically a new show but on the other hand there are these characters that I already love and care about and that makes the whole situation a little weird.
I'll really need to give it a few more episodes to get used to all the changes. So I can figure out which parts I don't like and which only need some getting used to.
Thinking about that, I'm afraid that's going to be even more difficult with Castiel but we'll see.
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Date: 2010-09-25 11:44 am (UTC)Lots of gray areas for Dean's life in the burbs. I'm glad he mentioned that he had been drinking too much and having nightmares, and we can see for ourselves that he hasn't let his guard down -- either with having protection in the form of his gun and Holy Water and Devil's Traps, and with the fact that he's not being totally open with Lisa. He's keeping things from her to protect her, and it doesn't seem to me that they have a relationship that is really equal or being partners. I see comfort there, for Dean, and Lisa appreciates the efforts Dean makes with Ben. Why didn't they even hold hands as they sat together on the steps? I'm not seeing passion between them.
I also thought it was interesting that Dean told his buddy the truth about his old life, just couched in terms that were misleading, pest control, for example.
I think that Dean is an essentially honest person, but raised to be secretive, and that dichotemy comes out in interesting ways. He's told the truth before, when he thought it wasn't going to matter any more. (when the croation virus was being tested in that small town and he admitted he wasn't law enforcement at all, and the video tape he made)
I was confused at the end because Dean was pretty sick, near death since the Djinn told him they gave him the fast working dose, and the neighbors were alread dead by the time he got over to them. I wanted to see him being cured, and I kept thinking the last scenes were still part of his hallucinations.
I loved that they mentioned Cas, too.
Laurie
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Date: 2010-09-25 12:29 pm (UTC)D'oh! Yeah, that makes sense. Thanks for pointing that out.
I like how they deal with Dean and Lisa. I don't think there's really love between them. They like and respect each other, Dean is a good surrogate father for Ben and Lisa gives at least some comfort to Dean. It's not perfect but it works.
That cut when Dean is being cured was a little odd like there was a scene missing. But I guess it's obvious enough how Sam saved Dean and they didn't feel like they needed to show it.
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Date: 2010-09-25 12:55 pm (UTC)It was already mentioned that Sam new Cas was alive probably from Bobby. But from where did he know that Bobby was alive? Last time he saw him, he/Lucifer broke Bobbys neck.
Also i have to say Lisa was not so annoying like i thought she would be, but she and her son (who was more an extra on the show than an actor) should please go away soon too!
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Date: 2010-09-25 01:20 pm (UTC)But from where did he know that Bobby was alive?
Well, they were both hunting and had a year to run into each other. Obviously that happened quite early. Maybe Sam's resurrection triggered some omens Bobby went to check out. Maybe we'll find out in a flashback.
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Date: 2010-09-25 02:07 pm (UTC)Dean needed shelter and a place to decompress which he knew before all this started. Thinking that it would be OVER and he could just be, and be as far away from hunting and this is a far as he could get. Why else would he go to Lisa and put her and Ben in harms way. Now that's over he needs to leave.
Theory on the haze and the vision of lisa/ben/Az they have taking over a place in his heart as "loved" ones. He cares for them so naturally their faces would take the place of Sam/Mom in his life long nightmare as if he could have protected them. He couldn't with Sam and mom and be able to with Lisa and Ben either. Az represent all evil and he can't stop anything, so it's his fault. Dean still holds on to the fault.
I don't care for the extended demon hunter league. Maybe they are angels, keeping Sam safe or watching him (he does seem odd). Sam/Dean and even Bobby for that matter prob will be forever safe now. >.> they better be. :)
Sam was out immediately, well hours on earth years in hell. But he was out when by the time Dean was having dinner that night with new fam. Then prob went right to back to bobby.
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Date: 2010-09-27 06:07 am (UTC)I don't think Ben and Lisa really took over the place as loved ones for Dean. I think a part of him wants them too because family is the most important thing for him. But Ben and Lisa never reallly became family - not the way Sam and Bobby and even Castiel were. Dean just can't let go of his old life and Sam.
I don't like the Campbells. But they may make good antagonists so I'll wait what their role will turn out to be.
Opossums kill!
Date: 2010-09-26 07:02 pm (UTC)Dean doesn't know what he wants and it seems like he do anything contrary to what Sam wants.
I can't understand why Sam really couldn't send message smt like : 'Hi Dean, I know you're happy and I wish you'll be happy further. See you in Christmas. Sam'
This family, sisters, brothers, grandfather... Why? For what? They all are not most interesting characters. They do not impress me. And you're right, I wouldn't trust them.
However, I have fun about 'Opossums kill!' and that moment in the beginning when Dean is cookin' - they compared it with remains sifting salt.
So, we'll see where does all this lead. Hope it will better soon :)
Re: Opossums kill!
Date: 2010-09-27 06:13 am (UTC)I agree, the Campbells aren't interesting at all. They might work as antagonists but Supernatural has had way better ones there too.
I really think we need to give it a bit more time so the show can find itself again and we can get used to the changes. And I really hope that I can be back to loving it 100 percent again soon.
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