ext_41335 ([identity profile] gwaevalarin.livejournal.com) wrote in [personal profile] gwaevalarin 2012-12-23 06:39 am (UTC)

Well, I find your interpretation impossible to handle without ignoring most of canon for the last three years, so no, there is no point in discussing this. But there are still a few things that I need to address now (because, fortunately, I know I can be honest with you :)):

Cas outright told Dean he was NOT there to 'perch on Dean's shoulder'

Which honestly, in the way he says it, sounds exactly like an early version of his "Of course, your problems always come first" type of comments to me.


Because it means you and me (and you and tumblr :p) interpret ENTIRELY OPPOSING things

Okay, let me stop you right there and explain the Tumblr thing.
I am not dreading the MAJORITY of SPN fans (or more precisely Castiel fans, I'm pretty sure the rest just doesn't care that much) on Tumblr. I'm dreading a certain group.
And I'm pretty sure (and your comment confirms that) had I posted it on Tumblr you - or one of the roughly two other Castiel/Dean shippers who follow me there - would have replied to it. Now, that's not a problem in itself because I know you are civil about this kind of clash in views. But you inevitably would have reblogged it to add your thoughts, and that would have handed it over to the exact group of people I am trying to avoid.

I am sure, however, that about 90% of the people I surround myself with on Tumblr would agree, if maybe not with every detail of this post, then at the very least with the notion of wanting to get Castiel as far away from the Winchesters as possible and reuniting him with his family (and the reason I'm sad that I "can't" post this on Tumblr is because I'd love to know if we agree in the details as well).

So, while you may not be aware of them, there are a lot of Castiel fans who share my view. And I keep finding more.
And I keep finding people who join us because of what they see right now, in season 8.


Individual angels have come to genuinely care about each other, yes, and start forming family-like relationships, but I do not believe Heaven as a whole has reformed enough [...]

Angels we know by name: Michael, Lucifer, Gabriel, Raphael, Castiel, Uriel, Anna, Zachariah, Joshua, Balthazar, Virgil, Rachel, Hester, Inias, Samandriel, Naomi (16)

Angels who have expressed (familial) love to other angels on screen: Michael and Lucifer, Gabriel, Castiel, Anna, Balthazar, Rachel, (Hester), Inias, Samandriel (9-10)

I'm leaving out Cupid because I honestly have no idea how to sort him.

If more than half the angels we know qualifies as "individual angels" to you, and you choose to believe that they don't represent most of Heaven then - I guess you can do that. It doesn't sound very likely to me.


And please stop saying you are sorry. I'm not. I don't want to see the current relationship between Castiel and and the Winchesters, the way it has been presented in the last few seasons (and still is presented. Absolutely nothing has changed in that respect), as anything good, and the thought that people do is something I find, quite frankly, disturbing. I could also tell you that I am sorry you can't see the the amazing bond between the angels as a family because it's so beautiful, but maybe you just don't care to and that's okay, so I won't.

(There will, by the way, most likely be another, very personal post later today that I only haven't posted yet because I wanted to sleep on whether I actually want to share this first. And I think that post may explain some things as well.)

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