the boys have two choices: They can either let Castiel go to watch the bees [...] Or they can try and win Castiel back as an ally
I figured they'd kind of already picked option #1 when they let him go at the end after he gave them his blood. Dean didn't demand he stay with them he just asked 'what are you going to do?' and let Cas get on with it... perhaps they may decide to call Cas before the finale but, for the moment, the way I understand it they've let him go. Which, yeah, I think is the best plan for everyone. Dean and Cas, certainly, need some space from each other right now.
saying that taking on Sam's pain was a good thing for him... he actually does believe that right now, doesn't he? I mean yeah, it stopped hurting after that. But not because he got better, but because it got so bad that he just shut down. And now it's an even longer way back if Cas can even still find it.
If you've read my review you'll know I actually think the opposite to this.
I think taking on Sam's Hell brought Cas to the lowest possible point mentally and emotionally. It broke him completely. And sometimes, things get so bad the only way to fix them is to break them, and then rebuild. Cas has been broken. Right now he's rebuilding himself. Sam's pain, in my mind, really was the best thing to have happened to Cas since his Godstiel experience. I think this is what Misha meant at JIB about Cas getting 'zen' about things. By suffering through Sam's pain and coming out the other side he's sort of transcended his grief and pain and trauma. That's way he's so childlike. Not because he's suffering right now, but because he's seeing the world anew. He's re-establishing his place in it and re-learning his identity... if that makes sense??
Dean's "angels don't have the equipment to care" speech seems really weird when you comapre it to the actions of every single angel we see in this episode. I mean, was that scene actually meant to contradict the rest of the episode?
Actually I thought the actions of the angels confirmed what Dean was saying from his POV. Cas, obviously, seems terribly broken right now, all because he foolishly started to care for Dean and Sam and humanity. Hestor clearly cares about Cas and you can see that's breaking her from the pain in her voice when she talks to him and the way she ends up snapping at Dean and ultimately having to be killed. Inias? Well, maybe he'll become the poster boy for an angel who can care and handle it :)
Dean's speech was really ONLY about Cas though. For that moment he was basing his opinion of all angels on what had happened to Cas, and Cas caring for people HAS broken him. That's not even in doubt. I really liked that moment. It was Dean revealing, albeit indirectly, what we've thought for a while - that he feels like he's ruined Cas, corrupted him, that it would have been better for everyone if Cas had never got close to him at all. It's part of Dean's lack of self-worth coming through. He's not worthy of an angel's affection, and if an angel tries to care for him it'll only end up bad for the angel.
What's INFURIATING about this logic though, is that all it would have taken to stop Cas breaking is for Dean to have ACCEPTED Cas' affections. To acknowledge them and welcome them. But instead Dean has been pushing Cas away, keeping him at a distance, keeping him a tool or a weapon, partly in an attempt to HELP Cas because he thinks that Cas being close to him is such a bad thing. It's like a self-fulfilling prophesy. Dean brought the pain he was dreading down on both of them himself, because he was trying so hard to avoid it. Rah rah Dean idiot!
One question: Why would the Leviathans dig up the one relic that tells people how they can be killed?
To stop anyone else getting their hands on it, I assume. Not to bright though, since the boys wouldn't have known about it UNLESS Dick had started digging it up. But, you know, that's a classic tragic plot. Self-fulfilling prophesy again :p
God, there really is so much in this episode! So many things to think about. So many ways to interpret. Oh, Ben, bless you, you've still got it :) I've babbled buckets here and everywhere, but I feel like there's still PLENTY left to say :)
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I figured they'd kind of already picked option #1 when they let him go at the end after he gave them his blood. Dean didn't demand he stay with them he just asked 'what are you going to do?' and let Cas get on with it... perhaps they may decide to call Cas before the finale but, for the moment, the way I understand it they've let him go. Which, yeah, I think is the best plan for everyone. Dean and Cas, certainly, need some space from each other right now.
saying that taking on Sam's pain was a good thing for him... he actually does believe that right now, doesn't he? I mean yeah, it stopped hurting after that. But not because he got better, but because it got so bad that he just shut down. And now it's an even longer way back if Cas can even still find it.
If you've read my review you'll know I actually think the opposite to this.
I think taking on Sam's Hell brought Cas to the lowest possible point mentally and emotionally. It broke him completely. And sometimes, things get so bad the only way to fix them is to break them, and then rebuild. Cas has been broken. Right now he's rebuilding himself. Sam's pain, in my mind, really was the best thing to have happened to Cas since his Godstiel experience. I think this is what Misha meant at JIB about Cas getting 'zen' about things. By suffering through Sam's pain and coming out the other side he's sort of transcended his grief and pain and trauma. That's way he's so childlike. Not because he's suffering right now, but because he's seeing the world anew. He's re-establishing his place in it and re-learning his identity... if that makes sense??
Dean's "angels don't have the equipment to care" speech seems really weird when you comapre it to the actions of every single angel we see in this episode. I mean, was that scene actually meant to contradict the rest of the episode?
Actually I thought the actions of the angels confirmed what Dean was saying from his POV. Cas, obviously, seems terribly broken right now, all because he foolishly started to care for Dean and Sam and humanity. Hestor clearly cares about Cas and you can see that's breaking her from the pain in her voice when she talks to him and the way she ends up snapping at Dean and ultimately having to be killed. Inias? Well, maybe he'll become the poster boy for an angel who can care and handle it :)
Dean's speech was really ONLY about Cas though. For that moment he was basing his opinion of all angels on what had happened to Cas, and Cas caring for people HAS broken him. That's not even in doubt. I really liked that moment. It was Dean revealing, albeit indirectly, what we've thought for a while - that he feels like he's ruined Cas, corrupted him, that it would have been better for everyone if Cas had never got close to him at all. It's part of Dean's lack of self-worth coming through. He's not worthy of an angel's affection, and if an angel tries to care for him it'll only end up bad for the angel.
What's INFURIATING about this logic though, is that all it would have taken to stop Cas breaking is for Dean to have ACCEPTED Cas' affections. To acknowledge them and welcome them. But instead Dean has been pushing Cas away, keeping him at a distance, keeping him a tool or a weapon, partly in an attempt to HELP Cas because he thinks that Cas being close to him is such a bad thing. It's like a self-fulfilling prophesy. Dean brought the pain he was dreading down on both of them himself, because he was trying so hard to avoid it. Rah rah Dean idiot!
One question: Why would the Leviathans dig up the one relic that tells people how they can be killed?
To stop anyone else getting their hands on it, I assume. Not to bright though, since the boys wouldn't have known about it UNLESS Dick had started digging it up. But, you know, that's a classic tragic plot. Self-fulfilling prophesy again :p
God, there really is so much in this episode! So many things to think about. So many ways to interpret. Oh, Ben, bless you, you've still got it :) I've babbled buckets here and everywhere, but I feel like there's still PLENTY left to say :)